Dear god, thanks for reminding me why I hate fandomsecrets.

[shamanicshaymin]

Somehow, I had a feeling that checking the comments for an actual secret rather than just the "Adoptables" thread would be an enormous mistake. Nice to know I'm right. (TW: ABLEISM UP THE FUCKING WAZOO)

How nice that while people think I'm a stupid whackjob IRL, I can't tell about my experiences online 'cause I'll just be lumped with SJWs who fake and/or use their disability as an excuse to be assholes while referring to neurotypical people with condescending terms such as "allistics."

Meanwhile, I should stop visiting the "Audience Alienating Premise" because it makes me feel depressed. It feels like the things I want to see more of and/or want to write land smack-dab on that page, which gives me the impression that while I might like them, the majority of humankind doesn't. Making me feel even more weird and isolated. Ugh. Though really, I question some of the things listed, like Madoka. It's hardly "alienated" its audience when it's currently one of the most hyped and enormously popular series right now. :/

Comments

[sarajayechan]

What the fuck is "allistic" and do I want to know?

[guardians_song]

A fancy way of saying 'not-autistic'.

[shamanicshaymin]

And by "fancy," they mean "pretentious." :P

[guardians_song]

Agh, damnit. Do people really need HELLO [NEUROATYPICAL] signs carved into every non-NT character's head?

"Audience Alienating Premise"
*checks*
...Wait. Weren't some of those books and video games highly popular?

[shamanicshaymin]

It's people like this that makes me want to pick them up and strangle them. Yeah, slamming neurotypicals (Oh, I'm sorry, "allistics." *gag*) is totally going to help autistics get the help and respect they deserve.

No kidding! I can understand some stuff being on there (Terry Gilliam's films, obscure Oscar winners that nobody but critics have watched, incestual pedophilia, etc) but Pet Sematary? Yeah, no.

You want an Audience Alienating Premise? Try the Raggedy Ann musical. Too dumb for adults, too scary for children, and an obscure flop to boot!

[spectrier]

I like that the Audience Alienation trope is about a 50/50 split between stuff that genuinely have horrible sounding premises and stuff that's just horrible is general. Wandering Son and Kodomo no Jikan being lumped together, what.

Seriously though write what you wanna write! I don't think the trope is necessarily a bad one, it's just (mostly) stuff that's a hard sell based on summaries.

[shamanicshaymin]

*huggles* Seriously, I like to think that Princess Tutu has a larger following than that. It would be one thing if it was about works that seem to have Audience Alienating Premises at first glance, but turn out to be huge hits. But it feels weird to have the popular stuff mixed in with genuinely horrible (as in subject matter, not necessarily quality) and ignored material.

I'd say that stuff like the Transformers movies are Puri Alienating Premises, haha. XD

[masu_trout]

Urgh, that thread. I watched that go down last night and I was seething by the end of it.

And I wouldn't worry about the AAP page! Honestly, the page seems a little... nonsensical, I guess. XD At least to me. I feel like it added a whole bunch of things that might not appeal to all audiences instead of just things that don't have any appeal for its intended audience. Like, okay, obviously people who don't like Magical Girl series won't find the appeal in Princess Tutu's premise, but that's not who they're trying to appeal to in the first place. Their example in the article itself, the Peter Pan one, fits very well because it was meant to appeal to children but didn't-- I think probably half the people who added series to that page missed that key part.

[swordianmaster]

In contrast, Madoka - in Puri's example - isn't Audience Alienating because the entire point is that its audience isn't little girls! It was aired, if I recall, in prime time blocks in Japan, and was always intended to be a seinen show. I think the only people who were alienated by it were the people who didn't actually know who it was intended for.